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Regarding the legality of Ryona

Discussion in 'Ryona' started by someoneelse, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. someoneelse

    someoneelse Guest

    So, I found this message board through the Wikipedia article for ryona, and there's another external link there which leads to a Japanese ryona image board. I've looked at some of the images there (they're pretty graphic), and it got me a little concerned. Is it possible that ryona may constitute "obscene" pornography, from a legal perspective? It's a very vague term, and it's hard to know what may count as "obscene," so I've been a little worried about this. If anyone's seen that image board, or is in the know about this sort of thing, I would appreciate it if you could put my mind at ease; I don't want the FBI coming to my door and talking to me about some of those images... Would wiki link to something illegal? :o

    Thanks in advance to anyone who can help clear this up for me.
     
  2. detritus

    detritus angry angry Staff Member Administrator

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    I've briefly looked over on the japanese site linked in Wikipedia and found it to be a little too extreme for my tastes. That being said, I took a course in digital forensics instructed by a former FBI agent (really cool guy) and pornography was a very common topic in class. He very briefly mentioned snuff films (recordings of people actually being hurt/killed) and very often mentioned child pornography, but never anything about fictional violence and drawn or digitally created pornography.

    Maybe in a very unlikely scenario, they could use it as evidence against you in a conviction but viewing the content online and keeping it on your hard drive, they probably won't bother. Outside of the class I have never come to believe that sort of material is illegal in the United States although more than likely is quite illegal in some other countries.

    As far as Wiki links... anybody can edit content on Wikipedia. For example, I'm the one that put the link to this message board on the ryona wiki. You may want to keep that in mind in the future. Unless you were somehow forced to visit a website, physically or electronically, you are responsible for your own actions.

    I hope that answers your question.
     
  3. someoneelse

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    Very true. I suppose a better question would have been, "Is it possible that an illegal link would remain up on Wikipedia for very long without one of the more responsible users getting rid of it?" But even then, I suppose anything is possible. Thanks for your response; it was rather reassuring. One of the things that was scary about the Japanese board was that a lot of the images sort of seem like "lolicon." However, I'm pretty sure the latest laws on simulated child pornography state that it's legal, unless it's created or marketed with the intention of depicting real people; that is certainly not the case on that ryona board. In any case, if that's not cause for concern, I think you're probably right: the violence shouldn't be either. Nevertheless, I think I'll try to avoid that site in the future, and search for any and all ryona over here instead.
     
  4. detritus

    detritus angry angry Staff Member Administrator

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    I ran across this article and I feel anybody else in the US should read this as well. I wasn't aware people were having examples made out of them for these kind of laws. I imagine this is a bit like getting caught for downloading MP3's, but for the safety of the site I feel that "loli" content shouldn't be posted on this site.
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  5. cellhall

    cellhall Vivacious Visitor Ryonani Teamster

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    I thought realistic virtual child pornography is legal in the United States
     
  6. detritus

    detritus angry angry Staff Member Administrator

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    I imagine this has something to do with state laws over federal laws, which can be a bit of a mess. In any case, after saying that I didn't think that sort of material was illegal, something has shown otherwise and I'm no lawyer. Basically just wanted to give everyone a heads up.
     
  7. noice1

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    I have heard the same, but it seems to be a gray area to the justice system. For example, there is a 3D game called Second Life, and it is profoundly policed to outlaw anything close to virtual "child" avatars engaging in anything sexual. Real money is involved (buying virtual land known as Simulators), and you can have your account banned and Simulator shut down if guilty, and yes this a U.S.-based company's game servers.

    Again, I've heard the same about virtual depictions, but it seems to me the law is not very clear on this matter. I don't even feel comfortable seeing loli on websites I've frequented, to have my IP associated (and probably logged). I have no problem if Clan wants it blacklisted, and it shouldn't be a big deal considering it's not really posted here anyway.