Slave Trainer (1 Viewer)

[phantomx]

TNX . i'll Try this :D

 

[Rusty66]

Glad to see some others making more complex dialogues. I enjoyed this one!

 

[darkwanderer]

I agree, it is still my prefered one.

It's a very long dialogue, which is good, and I never finished it because it's too exciting to just wait for the end!

Really an amazing work!

 

[darkwanderer]

I can only dream about a new dialogue like this, but with more crazy stuff with mods enabled... [awesome]

 

[BuckWild]

Double-post much?

Edit function to the rescue!

 

[thekasrak]

This is really good, better than a lot of dialogues I've played. Maybe you could make slapping her a little quicker? There seems to be quite a delay whenever I try it.

 

[WeeWillie]

How long is it taking you to get the slap to happen? Are you pulling down and waiting for the small comment before pulling up? If it's taking a long time for any message to come up, it could be due to a slow frame rate. You could try clearing the spit and cum effects to restore some frame rate. Otherwise, I don't know how to make SDT fire a pull up event any quicker.

Outside of the slap delay, what other things do you think could have been done better? What are your favorite dialogs and why? What would you add or change to Slave Trainer?

 

[Sknaht]

This is a nice little story mode dialogue!

 

[darkwanderer]

I never get tired of this dialogue.

Maybe you could add interaction with clothes, adding/removing clothes depending on situations?
(Adding leather cuffs, pearce nipples, removing clothes the higher "level" you are -and, let's dream, a part with ring gag 8) )

But for me, the dialogue is almost already perfect!

 

[f93]

Maybe you could add interaction with clothes, adding/removing clothes depending on situations?
(Adding leather cuffs, pearce nipples, removing clothes the higher "level" you are -and, let's dream, a part with ring gag 8) )

Check out WeeWillie's second dialogue, "Mistress' Playthings". There's a link to it in his signature. It has interaction involving gradually undressing the girls from their normal clothes and kitting them out in bondage gear (which involves blindfolding and gagging them in the final stages). It's a pretty interesting expansion to this theme.

 

[darkwanderer]

Check out WeeWillie's second dialogue, "Mistress' Playthings". There's a link to it in his signature. It has interaction involving gradually undressing the girls from their normal clothes and kitting them out in bondage gear (which involves blindfolding and gagging them in the final stages). It's a pretty interesting expansion to this theme.

Thanks, it is indeed a pretty interesting dialogue. I've already played with it, but even if I love the interaction process involved, the spirit of the dialogue itself is quite different. The different girls, if I remember well (I'll play again to check), were all very consenting (real sex slaves).
In this dialogue, there is a whole process from not consenting to submission, which I prefer.

Basically, a dialogue with the same spirit of "Slave Trainer" but with the technics involved in the "Mistress Playthings" would be great.
Morevover, I've seen a lot of other mods, like animtools, but no dialogues using it, even if on the paper it looks fantastic. Why is that? Is it too buggy or difficult to make it work?

 

[f93]

In this dialogue, there is a whole process from not consenting to submission, which I prefer.
Basically, a dialogue with the same spirit of "Slave Trainer" but with the technics involved in the "Mistress Playthings" would be great.

Fair enough. Any other things you'd like to see in a dialogue like that? For example, do you like the "random choice of multiple girls" part of Playthings, or would you rather have one particular type of character for it, etc.

Morevover, I've seen a lot of other mods, like animtools, but no dialogues using it, even if on the paper it looks fantastic. Why is that? Is it too buggy or difficult to make it work?

I've got one dialogue that I'm extending to have an animtools position in (it's my most recently posted one - the second part is going to be the girl raping the guy so she can get pregnant). The mechanical parts of it are easy enough (just have a variable that changes when you have a trigger for changing the animtools position, and have new lines which depend on that variable). The actual content of the new lines is pretty logical, too. The current problem is that I just can't find an Animtool position with her on top that doesn't look really shitty. The closest ones have things like his arm just floating around above her. Even the better ones still have her legs in the foreground (because that's currently just how SDT works).
This is also the reason I've never done anything about the "Stocking fills in for Panty in a porn film" dialogue request - without knowing which positions I can make look at least a little convincing, there doesn't seem much point in doing anything beyond the blowjob part.

 

[WeeWillie]

Basically, a dialogue with the same spirit of "Slave Trainer" but with the technics involved in the "Mistress Playthings" would be great.
Morevover, I've seen a lot of other mods, like animtools, but no dialogues using it, even if on the paper it looks fantastic. Why is that? Is it too buggy or difficult to make it work?

Thanks for the feedback, darkwanderer. I've thought about extending Slave Trainer to use Dialogue Actions, and now that I know that at least one person would like that, then I'll try to do it. That is unless f93 is planning on filling that niche?

I was also thinking about trying the Animtools mod as well. It may be a little while though. I'm sure I've got some maintenance to do with Trials of the Sorceress, and I'm a bit burnt out from that one.

Anyway, what type of things would you like to see in a upgraded version of Slave Trainer. Do you like that she goes from resistant to willing, or would you rather she always remain reluctant, possibly crying, begging or such? Do you like undressing her then redressing her in bondage equipment? Do you like that you pick your own appearance and clothing, or would you prefer that I give you a designed girl like in Mistress's Playthings? I believe if I'm to code dressing her, I can't redress her in what you provide since there is no way to query what she's wearing, but I could strip her down from what she wears and dress her up in bondage clothing.

Just let me know what you'd like and I can see what I can do.

 

[f93]

That is unless f93 is planning on filling that niche?

I've got a few other dialogues I want to get done before I'll move onto anything like that. There's nothing in my current requests which would make sense to have that, and nothing in my own dumb ideas that really needs it.
I did intend to have something like that for the bad end of my original campaign idea, and may end up doing something like it as a dialogue by itself now that it has no place in the story.

 

[darkwanderer]

Fair enough. Any other things you'd like to see in a dialogue like that? For example, do you like the "random choice of multiple girls" part of Playthings, or would you rather have one particular type of character for it, etc.

I prefer focusing on just one girl, personally. And really have different kind of mood -from reluctant to willingfull-

I've got one dialogue that I'm extending to have an animtools position in (it's my most recently posted one - the second part is going to be the girl raping the guy so she can get pregnant). The mechanical parts of it are easy enough (just have a variable that changes when you have a trigger for changing the animtools position, and have new lines which depend on that variable). The actual content of the new lines is pretty logical, too. The current problem is that I just can't find an Animtool position with her on top that doesn't look really shitty. The closest ones have things like his arm just floating around above her. Even the better ones still have her legs in the foreground (because that's currently just how SDT works).
This is also the reason I've never done anything about the "Stocking fills in for Panty in a porn film" dialogue request - without knowing which positions I can make look at least a little convincing, there doesn't seem much point in doing anything beyond the blowjob part.

Thanks for the feedback! I'll try this dialogue, it looks really interesting!

Anyway, what type of things would you like to see in a upgraded version of Slave Trainer. Do you like that she goes from resistant to willing, or would you rather she always remain reluctant, possibly crying, begging or such? Do you like undressing her then redressing her in bondage equipment? Do you like that you pick your own appearance and clothing, or would you prefer that I give you a designed girl like in Mistress's Playthings? I believe if I'm to code dressing her, I can't redress her in what you provide since there is no way to query what she's wearing, but I could strip her down from what she wears and dress her up in bondage clothing.

Just let me know what you'd like and I can see what I can do.

Well, your scenario looks perfect to me! Undress her to redress her to bondage clothing looks great!
I prefer to keep control on the girl appearance because it is really a matter of taste and it is difficult to fill everybody fantasy here (for instance I like big boobs but lot of people prefer smalls one, etc.) But the clothes can be chosen by you. If I choose it myself, isn't it too complicate for you to manage the undressing? If not, it's even a better solution.

As for the mood, it is a really interesting option to maybe let her remain "reluctant, possibly crying, begging or such". My favorite part in this dialogue is the third step, when she put both her arms on her back, and becoming a slave but still feels a little bit ashamed about it.

So maybe having a way to make her more consenting or more reluctant with pull up/pull down would be great. But for me, this dialogue is almost perfect by the progression, the number of lines she said (you can play manually without bumpimp on always the same sentences).

 

[WeeWillie]

So maybe having a way to make her more consenting or more reluctant with pull up/pull down would be great. But for me, this dialogue is almost perfect by the progression, the number of lines she said (you can play manually without bumpimp on always the same sentences).

I personally don't like making controls in game that don't represent his actions during the scene, so I'm not fond of a "make her personality change positive or negative by PULL_UP, PULL_DOWN". I like to make the scene as immersesive as I can. I don't mind a set up before the scene though, so maybe there could be questions at the start or easy variable edits in the txt to set what you want?

Maybe there could be player controlled options that gate the girls progression. For example, the girl would only go from begging to loathing after you've worn her down but then choose to collar her. She would only go from loathing to willing when you've worn her down and then choose to pierce her. So if you want to keep her in the begging mood, you just never collar her. Or if you want to keep her in the loathing mood, you just never pierce her? What would you think about that?

 

[darkwanderer]

I personally don't like making controls in game that don't represent his actions during the scene, so I'm not fond of a "make her personality change positive or negative by PULL_UP, PULL_DOWN". I like to make the scene as immersesive as I can. I don't mind a set up before the scene though, so maybe there could be questions at the start or easy variable edits in the txt to set what you want?

Maybe there could be player controlled options that gate the girls progression. For example, the girl would only go from begging to loathing after you've worn her down but then choose to collar her. She would only go from loathing to willing when you've worn her down and then choose to pierce her. So if you want to keep her in the begging mood, you just never collar her. Or if you want to keep her in the loathing mood, you just never pierce her? What would you think about that?

I agree with you about the importance of immersion: it's what I like about this dialogue.

So your solution seems great to me, I couldn't imagine a better way to do it!

 

[WeeWillie]

I've posted a new version of Slave Trainer in my main dialogue thread.
http://www.sdtmods.com/index.php?topic=4875.0
It uses "hold down to start options, put dick in mouth when your option comes up, pull up to perform the option."
You can undress and dress the girl, as well as tie her arms behind her back, collar, blindfold, and gag her.
I've got more upgrades planned, but I know darkwanderer wanted to get his hands on it with these current upgrades. I hope you like it!

 

[darkwanderer]

Thanks for your work WeeWillie!

I only tried it quickly, and it's pretty good. I have two comments though:

- Once you put any type of gag to the girl, you can't popup the option dialogue anymore by pulling the girl down. I have to remove "manually" the gag to go on with the game. (mmmh, ok I jut saw right now it was written in the introduction of the dialogue, I let the comment for people who could use the dialogue for the first time and who haven't noticed it: just pull up the girl again to remove the gag and go on with dialogue)

- I know you can't do miracle because you have to stick with available triggers, but I found the scenario less "immersive" with the option menu. The first sentence is very long to display, and waiting for the option (and sometimes missing it) is kind of frustrating.
Maybe, to improve it, you can replace the "explanation sentence" with direct sentence from the girl like "What are you planning to do??" (or different version depending on the mood), a little bit like it was done on the previous version for slapping.
And can't we directly trigger the action by directly pull up the girl when option appears (Instead of putting dick, waiting for the sentence "pull up to..." and then pull up) ?

I know I must look ungrateful, because you put lot of effort into it. I'm not at all, these are simple suggestions and I really appreciate the evolution of the dialogue. I definitively have to look on Dialogue tutorial to maybe offering some help instead of asking (maybe stupid) questions/features.

Thanks again!

 

[WeeWillie]

- Once you put any type of gag to the girl, you can't popup the option dialogue anymore by pulling the girl down. I have to remove "manually" the gag to go on with the game.

Yeah, this is an inherent issue with the "interrupt to pick". I'm planning on modifying it so that when she has a gag, you can pull down to switch modes for Slap, Change Position, and Remove Gag. If you want to do anything else, you'd need to remove the gag. The reason I don't use this method everywhere is that pull downs have a delay, so going through a long list choices takes even longer than the horribly long time right now.

- I know you can't do miracle because you have to stick with available triggers, but I found the scenario less "immersive" with the option menu. The first sentence is very long to display, and waiting for the option (and sometimes missing it) is kind of frustrating.

Yeah, I hear you. SDT wasn't made for making choices. The lines are long so you have time to make your choice, hopefully reducing the times you miss it. It's a balance. Too long, you wait. Too short, you miss your pick. That's why I have the option name first, followed by an explanation.

Maybe, to improve it, you can replace the "explanation sentence" with direct sentence from the girl like "What are you planning to do??" (or different version depending on the mood), a little bit like it was done on the previous version for slapping.

I could do that, but it might lead to confusion for other people, and the following lines would still break immersion. You can't have the girl saying "Please put your dick in my mouth so you can slap me." It's a good suggestion to at least make the first line more natural. Maybe I could give the full instruction the very first time, and subsequently after she speaks?

And can't we directly trigger the action by directly pull up the girl when option appears (Instead of putting dick, waiting for the sentence "pull up to..." and then pull up) ?

I thought about that, but for Slap, Dress, Undress, Blindfold, and Gag it's better to have pull up do the action. That way you can repeat the action without going into the choice menu over and over. Once in slap mode, slap her over and over by pulling up. When you undress her once, you can undress her again. I guess I could have it do the action the first time, short cutting the steps, and only display the "PULL UP to Blah Blah" message appear when I switch the mode under your nose, like when putting on the collar which can't be taken off, it goes into slap mode. It goes against my anal retentive nature that the first slap is pull down/interrupt and the second slap is pull up. It's less intuitive, but it is more immersive and better user experience once you understand how it works, so I'll make that change.

I know I must look ungrateful, because you put lot of effort into it.

Not at all. It's great to get feedback, and your suggestions are very helpful. I'll see what I can do for a Version 1.3. Thanks.

BTW, we should probably move any further discussion into the WeeWillie Dialogues thread. Writers should only have one thread, so this thread may get deleted by the moderators soon.