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Organizing our own custom Zako/Henchwomen movie

Discussion in 'Zako' started by Amazon Shark, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. Amazon Shark

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    Usually custom movies are put together by one or two people, but since our interest in zako usually involves many, many women, it can be expensive to finance a real good zako movie with more than 2-3 girls in it. This thread is for the discussion of organizing and setting up our own custom made zako movie.

    Before we can really get the ball rolling, I think everyone should post a paragraph or so of what they would want in the movie, including outfits, scenarios they would like to see, method of demise, if any, and so forth. Mention what you want to see the most, and mention whatever elements you wouldn't mind giving up for the sake of everyone agreeing on everything for the custom movie.Remember, if enough people are interested, it probably won't come out exactly how you would want it to if you had made your own custom movie. There will be sacrifices made in certain elements you want or don't want.

    However, most of us, I think (myself included), can enjoy just about any zako scene that has been presented in this thread. They are all different, with different scenarios, outfits, etc...

    I'll post some of my ideas soon. Let's see where this goes. If all goes well, I'll set up options for payment.
     
  2. Ezzy

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    I think at first we have to solve the problems with payment. Personally I am currently looking for a job and can not invest or at least invest a lot of money in the future film. Do I have the moral right in this case to offer my ideas?
     
  3. xbeagle

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    This is a good idea. I don't personally have any objections to suggestions from people who are not going to pay, though which suggestions get implemented may be another matter.
     
  4. Amazon Shark

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    I think it should be more like making a donation. Sort of like how Maguire set up donations for the upcoming Spy Saga movie. Invest however much money you want or can afford. If all you can chip in is $10, that's fine. Those who invest more will have more of their ideas put into the movie, but anyone who invests any amount will have some of their ideas in the movie too.

    I figure, if we want at least 6 girls to play henchwomen, and one more guy/girl to play the hero, we'll need to come up with at least $1000. It's not unrealistic that we can all come up with that amount.
     
  5. Secteur-X7

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    Shark, I am with you... I imagine you will be the connector for all this project ? Do you think using "paypal" donation will be ok ?
    I am Ok to send you 50 $ this month and 50 $ more in next month...
    I got no suggestion, so it will be less difficult .....

    Thank you to organize this adventure !

    Sx 7
     
  6. ZakoMe

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    This sounds like a really good idea. I'd wondered about what it might take to produce something like this before, but figured it was too expensive and took too much planning to do alone.

    I'll give I some thought and post back with some ideas later.
     
  7. Stuelpner_Karl

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    I'd prefer the originally considered Sleeperkid's World over the Death fetish producers.

    He often does short movies where one strong fighter takes on a group of opponents (both one by one and all together).

    Each contributor may pick his favorite Zako and customize her outfit, her role in the group, what she does and what's done to her.

    And, while SKW clips usually take place on the mat, he sometimes goes outside.
     
  8. Amazon Shark

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    As far as payment goes, I was thinking about using PayPal, and everyone can send money that way. I'll go over details once I figure everything out. For now, start saving your money. I probably won't collect for at least a month, I figure we'll need time to organize outfits, how many girls, scripts and/or scenarios, etc. I want to be completely ready to present whatever producer we use so that things can go ahead smoothly.

    I was thinking of going with SKW, or Olaf from Amazon Warriors. They both use the highest quality cameras and hot actresses. Unfortunately, I can never seem to get SKW or Velvets Fantasies to respond to my emails when I have a custom request. Olaf, on the other hand, always responds to my emails, so I feel like he'd be the better one to go with. I also prefer his camera style over SKW's. But nothing is set in stone.

    So far we have 9 people interested, including myself. As of right now, between here and other boards, most people want to see the henchwomen wearing short skirts and boots, with bare legs showing. I can go with that. Not sure about the top half. I think we should also be able to see the girls' faces, so that means no masks. Reusing the same girls for multiple scenes doesn't bother me, if anything, we could make them wear masks that cover their eyes only, like in the recent Female Combatants movies.

    Also, I think most people, including me, want the henchwomen to be evil, and fight against one hero or heroine.

    I'm all for different scenarios, preferably the henchwomen eventually getting shot and killed, maybe a few KO's too. The demises should be quick, and the camera should not focus on each girl as they're killed/KO'd. The action should continue around them, and the camera should follow the hero/heroine for the most part, all the while we should be able to see the defeated henchwomen in the background.

    Let's try and figure out what the girls will be wearing from the waist up. I think it should be some kind of tight clothing, but not sure what yet. Something that shows a lot of cleavage at least.
     
  9. Ezzy

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    This uniform is nice.
     
  10. Stuelpner_Karl

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    One's fetish is the other's turn off, I'm afraid. Looking at reactions at Evilbabes and Deadskirts, many details may be not compatible.
    (And how they look and what they wear should be smaller problems.)

    I can imagine that people are interested and willing to invest sime hundred bucks into the project of their dreams, but bail out when it turns out that only a few similarities are left. (Basically "There is a group of evil henchwomen defeated.") I would.


    So this is how the project of my dreams looks like:

    -A group of women (of different age, size, shape) in plainclothes is socialising outside of a building, as normal people before starting their daily work.
    -A devious villainess calls them in for a briefing, tells them that they are going on an easy mission and make a lot of money.
    -They leave the building, now somehow uniformed, but not completely looking the same.

    -Meanwhile a heroine is trying to convince a very important person (probably male), who carries some sort of a secret (what exactly is not important) to go to another safe place, but the VIP is too busy.
    -The villainess and her henchwomen rush in. The heroine (and the VIP) knock out the henchies, but the villainess manages to win at the end.

    -The villainess is torturing the VIP, trying to get information. The henchwomen are standing guard at different places of the building.
    -The heroine returnes and takes them out one after another before meeting the villainess in the big showdown.

    In this type of scenario, each sponsor could pick "his" woman, decide what she is going to wear, what she does and what is done to her in the fights, if and how she dies.
     
  11. ZakoMe

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    Ok, I've been giving this some thought for a little while now, and I'm not short of ideas - it's a bit hard to organize all my thoughts so I'm just going to stream them out in one big post.

    1) About the zako costumes, I agree about going for an contemporary urban theme with short skirts, boots / high heels. Bare legs or stockings is fine. While staying within the costume theme and setting, it might be fun to have some variety to the zako. Eg one whip wielding dominatrix type zako a la Linda from double dragon or Nora/Electra from SoR; one slender, athletic zako in high heels, tight hotpants and short top, wielding handcuffs -a similar look to Poison (this one needs to have a great ass!); a bigger, curvier zako who uses grapples. I'd also prefer the zako not wearing masks at all, I'm not too bothered about reusing the zako. Perhaps instead of eye masks, they could be made to look more generic by all wearing dark glasses? I have a design for an urban brawler zako gang with this kind of look:
    Ladies_of_the_Night_by_Candra.jpg , obviously the spiky details are not so important, just a general idea of the style. I even have a sequential pic series with them (here - http://www.ryonani.com/zako/4212-zako-artwork.html#post37519)

    2) I totally agree that the zako should be evil, and the protagonist to be the good guy (preferably male) Being a fan of both reverse ryona and regular ryona, I'd like a mix of the hero getting beaten by the zako and vice versa. It might be a good idea to have the zako having the upper hand in the first half of the fight, and really taking sadistic pleasure in beating the hero. Obviously this is because I'm more into gyaku ryona but also I think it helps to show how evil they are, which sort of justifies the hero beating the girls down later in the fight.

    3) Zako fighting dirty - using their feminine charms to full effect (works better on a male hero). Maybe a zako pleads for mercy - thus distracting the hero and allowing another to grab him from behind. The pleading zako then shows no mercy whatsoever as she beats the hero.

    4) A little bit fetishy here but I'd personally enjoy seeing the hero getting sandwiched between two zako while one of them (ideally in a short skirt) holds him by the shoulders and knees him in the groin a few times, before finally allowing him to drop to the floor in agony. Call me a bit weird but that would be my one must have thing. Better yet would be if they could follow up by taunting him on the ground or trampling him with their heels.

    5) Some more general grabs and grappling action - the zako in dynamite deka are a great example of this (see Dynamite Deka (PS2) - Fight with female zako - YouTube) in particular about 0:45 shows some good floor grappling first with the zako on top, and then having the tables turned. Or how about if the hero gets to spank one of the zako (taking inspiration from the game God Hand) The good thing about these kind of fighting moves is that you don't have to have actresses who are technically proficient fighters - personally I'd prefer girls look good and can act over those who can do technically advanced moves.

    6) General trash talk and taunting - check out NNins video of the dominatrix from watchmen (Watchmen: The End Is Nigh Part 2 - Blonde Dominatrix in action 2 - YouTube) she has a wonderful style. Also the dynamite cop zako have quite a sexy way of laughing at the hero when he's knocked down. Maybe this tendency to gloat/ overconfidence could lead to their undoing?

    7) Don't know what to call this one but when one of the zako wraps her thighs around the hero - I'm sure we all remember the fight scene in the Bond movie Diamonds are forever with Bambi and Thumper. Its around 1:20 in this video - I'm Bambi ... and I'm Thumper - YouTube , also think of Famke Jansen's Onatopp from Goldeneye.

    8) Poetic justice - eg the handcuff girl gets locked up in her own handcuffs and is just left writhing in frustration as the fight goes on around her; the dominatrix gets spanked or ko'd/choked with her own whip; the most trash talking zako gets thrown into a pile of trash etc etc.

    9) TBH I'm personally not all that keen on guns, I prefer the violence up close and personal. But how about one zako taking potshots at the hero only for him to grapple another zako into the line of fire? The other issue I have with guns is that they're kind of quick and permanent - once you bring out a gun everyone gets shot, the end. Maybe bring out the gun woman later as a sub boss to up the stakes?

    10) The zako reacting to the flow of the fight - some get enraged at seeing their fellow minions defeated, while others might be more cowardly and run off only to re-appear with reinforcements later.

    11) I'd really prefer for the movie to have a fairly realistic backdrop - preferably some kind of back street brawl. I havent seen many of these kind of movies, but some of those I have seen are kind of ruined by featuring 'superheroes' doing battle in a school gym complete with people playing basketball in the background. Or a secret agent fighting enemy spies in someone's spare room complete with ironing board, and scalextric set.

    12) A bit of a strange idea, but give it a chance - what if the premise to the movie is of a guy playing some beatemup video game gets immersed into the game? (or something like that) It sounds a bit cheesy, but it gets better the more I think about it - firstly there's no dependence on story, everyone gets the idea, just brawl your way from a to b. Secondly, you could have say 3 lives - first life, the hero falls for the zako's dirty tricks and gets beaten down; second life he does better but gets shot in a gunfight; third life he fights his way through the level. It should be good terms of production, you get to re-use the same set to make a movie 3x longer, it's also no problem to re-use the actresses, we could even play on a few gaming tropes like pallette swap characters, or ko'd bodies disappearing after a little while. And since the fight plays out differently each time, more contributors can get what they want. What's more, it might help alleviate some of the moral issues with for example killing zako since it's just in the context of a game - like if you're playing a game and get killed a couple of times on a level, then it's only right to beat everyone down without remorse.

    Alright, that might have been the longest post I've ever written, I really don't mean to take over the whole idea or amything, it was just that I started thinking about it and the ideas just came. If I had to prioritise, my must have is #4, my must not have is #11, and #12 just seems like it might be a good idea.

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    Sorry Karl, I didn't see your post before I finished my own, you make a good point about it being hard to please everyone all of the time. I have no experience of this kind of thing, and I'm not sure how we would commit ourselves to financing a certain amount of money for production on the condition that the film contains some of the things we ask for.

    Like you say, some wishes are mutually exclusive, although it might be that if we did find some way of making multiple playthroughs of the story, we could accommodate some of those otherwise irreconcilable wishes. But in the end I guess it comes down to if you don't like it don't buy it.

    I've never used it but could kickstarter give a good way of putting our money together? We could establish a spec and sponsors pledge a certain amount of money towards it? Your suggestion of sponsors getting to pick their own zako might fit in well with that. Say we need $1000, and we expect to have 6 actresses available. We could say that the first 6 to invest $100 get 'gold' rights and get to draft their actress and style her accordingly. Some could informally pool smaller sums together and co-own an actress. Or you could pledge $50 and get 'silver' rights to have x number of wishes? Etc... just an idea. If I've understood it right I think that the useful thing about a solution like kickstarter is that it's fairly binding, so we can then go to a director and show we have a plan and financing, which means we get taken more seriously.
     
  12. Minion

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    This is an interesting thread, i enjoy seeing different opinions and hope we can find enough in common to make something happen.

    I agree, the fact that everyone has their own ideas does make this a bit challenging, but it's still worth a try.

    I've noticed that quit a few people on EvilBabes and Deadskirt (especially) are very much into killing women. There's also a lot of interest in women killing and torturing men. I don't think this goes with the ZAKO motif that this site focuses on (since Zako's are generally female cannon fodder)

    I'm also not a particular fan of guns for the same reason as ZakoMe, too quick and permanent, and i don't like women during).
    I much prefer seeing them getting knocked out or bound.

    As for producer, I personally prefer sleeperkid because the girls there are a lot more physical. it's a shame that he does most of his scenes in a mat room, but i can usualy look past that. If we were to go with sleeperkid, then people need to bare in mind that his production does not go too "Fetish orientated". he states on his website that he doesn't use lingerie, so uniform wise, there needs to be a line (although he has on other forums showed an interest in Agent Aika-style custom)

    i liked a lot of the points that ZakoMe and Stuelpner_Karl mentioned. It would be interesting to see a short clip of the girls in civilian clothes before getting suited up. I also loved the "Poetic justice" idea, especialy getting handcuffed while the others keep fighting arround her and one thrown in the trash.


    My original Idea for a Sleeperkid Custom went something like this (although I'm very flexible)

    Cast

    PoisonIvy.jpg PoisonIvy2.jpg

    4 henchwomen in uniform,
    1 main villainess (catwomen/riddler/.....)
    1 hero/Heroine

    Scene 1. -Villainesses in the middle of a robbery/ambush......
    -hero interrupts and the henchwomen attack. Quickly taken out in hand to hand combat. inspired by old batman batfight/Female Combatants/Agent Aika
    -EITHER a. The hero wind but the villainess gets away and the henchwomen are tied up, but then esscape
    b. The henchwomen are defeated but the main villainess beats the her and escape

    Scene 2 - The Villain's lair

    -hero arrives in the villain's lair
    -Final showdown
    -Henchwomen knocked out one by one and land in a pile

    Possible ending
    Henchwomen knocked into a pile on top of their boss. With the boss still concious but pinned under a pile of girls.


    Uniform wise, I'm not too fussy,
    some ideas i like include
    Ninja Infiltration 04 by *Shabazik on deviantART
    Agent Aika - After the fight by ~Luciusthegreat on deviantART
    Candle Boxxx: Sentry Girl # 4 by *sleeperkid on deviantART

    My inspirations
    -Cash (Hindi Movie)
    -SuperAmigas
    -Agent Aika
    -Female Combatants
    -Batman

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    Also; does this website have a Poll/Voting feature by any chance? I Havant been able to find any
    It would be interesting to see what features are the most popular to get a better picture of the situation
    Things like;
    a) Uniform; Skirt / Leotard / Pants....
    b) Mask; Yes/No/Don't Mind
    c) Weapon; Unarmed (hand-to-hand)/Gund/Swords/Mix
    d) Death; Yes/No/Don't Mind
    e) Theme; Spy/Superhero/Army/Amazons....
    f)
    g)

    i made a quick survey on SurveyMonkey as an example.
    Is there a more open/transparent method for this board? A way where we can sare the results more openly

    http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/MCBSBKG
     
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  13. Amazon Shark

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    A lot going on, a lot to think about, and a lot to comment on. Before I do that, it should be noted that if we have enough people on board, it will only cost everyone $100, maybe less.

    However, in order for us to get the most people to throw money at this project, there will have to be at least 2 separate mass battles. The first one being KO's, and the second being deaths. There can be a mix of both in between, but not everyone will contribute if the henchwomen die every time. Same with the other way around. I'd like to have as many people as possible, so I hope us DS fans can agree to some compromise. Personally, I have no problem with KOs or deaths. It isn't the KO or DS factor as much as it's the henchwomen theme and the "casually disposing of the henchies while the action continues around them".

    A good scenario for the KO fest would be to have the henchwomen armed with guns, but the hero takes them out with hand-to-hand combat. The second battle is with guns, maybe a couple of swords.

    I'm all for little to no blood. It isn't an important element for this kind of movie IMO.

    I agree the henchwomen should be evil, over-confident, not very skilled; pretty much not too bright, disposable, minions who just want to make quick bucks by working for their leader who wants to take over the city, for example. I agree, too, that they should not have some political agenda or anything like that.

    I don't want the outfit to be too similar to what Double Take or especially the new Spy Saga outfits are. I'm OK with skirts, but not camouflage; that is a big turn off for me (or any outfit that looks like an actual military in general.) I'm trying to think if there is some way we could mix the modern spy look with the amazon look, especially if we go with Olaf.

    I'm wondering if it would be easier if we could figure out the outfit, and I'll write up a rough draft of a script, and I'll try and incorporate as much ideas and scenarios from everyone as possible.

    How about the henchwomen wear sunglasses, at least for the KO part instead of masks? The top should be a tight shirt that shows cleavage and shows their midriff.

    I don't know about you guys, but I kind of view this as everyone contributing money to get this kind of project filmed, and then when it is released, I'll still spend the $20 to download it from the producer. Thoughts?
     
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    I think it's a good idea if AmazonShark (and others if they want to) draw up a rough draft to start getting some direction.
    Also, if people start posting images of uniforms they like, then see if we can find an acceptable compromise.
    I also agree with Amazon Sharks comment about the Spy Saga/Double Take Shirt/Skirt uniform.

    Also, it goes without saying that if we go with a uniform that the producer doesn't have, we'll probably have to cover the cost of a new uniform. This is a bit annoying, but it would be nice nice that the producer would then own those uniform and re-use them in future productions.
     
  15. NNin

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    I agree that custom uniforms will take an extra payment, so we will need to keep that in mind if we need them.
    I may be able to ask my artist to design a costume/sketch a storyboard too.
     
  16. Amazon Shark

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    I think having each girl wear different clothes might make things confusing, not to mention will make the custom much more expensive.

    I think skirt (green or tan colored??), boots, a black top that reveals cleavage and is very short sleeved would be best, no? We want to keep things simple. Anyone OK with the girls wearing an arm band or wrist band as well?
     
  17. Secteur-X7

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    It is very good that many people bring some good ideas about "The Project".....
    But before warming too much the meal, it could be good to ask producer (olaf, sleeperkid ?) to know what it is possible to do for what price ? (number of characters ? uniforms ? indoor, outdoor ? weapons ? "stunt" ? ....)
    Just have in mind to save the "zako" face of the project but I would like to know what we could get for some rank of price....
    (Sorry for my bad language...)

    Thank you again Shark to manage the project and thank you to followers for supporting....
     
  18. Amazon Shark

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    I know Olaf has given me an estimate for 5-6 girls, and it was around $1200. I don't think they should be e-mailed yet, we need a little more time to organize. There is a lot of info coming in from everyone, I want to include as many ideas as possible from everyone.

    I'm going to set up a poll for the outfit, and go from there. I think it's the only way we can all come to some kind of agreement.

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    Here is poll for what bottom they will wear:
    http://poll.pollcode.com/3nsgj

    Poll for what footwear they'll use:
    http://poll.pollcode.com/31hq8

    Poll for what top they'll wear:
    http://poll.pollcode.com/lltyu

    Poll for misc. things. You can choose multiple answers.
    http://poll.pollcode.com/7d6pu
     
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    How many people do you need to pitch in on money still? Is there going to be a link to where we would do that?
     
  20. Amazon Shark

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    So far, 40 people have voted in the polls. If all 40 people contribute $38, that would give us $1500 and we'd have enough for 6-7 girls plus extra for costumes and whatnot.

    I haven't collected money yet. Start saving, but I won't collect until we are ready to go ahead and set up the custom with a producer. I'm going to say about a month.