Safe haven for zako art/videos ? (1 Viewer)

[rutgerhauer]

As you may have already heard, Pixiv, which was the safe haven for zako-genre 3D artists since "The Great DeviantArt Purge 2020", now becomes unfriendly as well.
Many of that kind of artists were kicked out recently with quite a strange ban reason - "photorealistic pictures". Yes, Pixiv forbids to post photos, but who would say that, for example, HoneySelect renders, could ever be called "photorealistic" ?

Who was banned recently:
lessonone, MadCoby, 375ms, CloudDistrict, Epitaph, OhMeGusta, panini, Sugezu, Zeya (returned after a successful appeal), Kracle, iedaepha, uuupuuu, alpinek, Ash (ArtDude), cool beauty, SpearSwordRifle, TommyTomahawk, Enhjorning, etc...

As I've heard, this Pixiv Purge strikes not only zako 3D/AI artists of erotic-violence-containing genres, but some vanilla adult artists as well.

It's unclear now what were the exact criterias for banning those artists, and it's unclear how far this Pixiv Purge is going to advance... But I guess it's time to search for another safehaven.

So, the topic question is, do you know about any public picture or video hosting website, which could serve as a showcase for content creators, and which is tolerant to violent erotic content ?

I've heard iwara.tv is quite tolerant... Any more comments or suggestions ?

 

[AlexanderSVKV]

As you may have already heard, Pixiv, which was the safe haven for zako-genre 3D artists since "The Great DeviantArt Purge 2020", now becomes unfriendly as well.
Many of that kind of artists were kicked out recently with quite a strange ban reason - "photorealistic pictures". Yes, Pixiv forbids to post photos, but who would say that, for example, HoneySelect renders could ever be called "photorealistic" ?

Who was banned recently:
lessonone, MadCoby, 375ms, CloudDistrict, Epitaph, OhMeGusta, panini, Sugezu, Zeya (returned after a successful appeal), Kracle, iedaepha, uuupuuu, alpinek, Ash (ArtDude), cool beauty, SpearSwordRifle, TommyTomahawk, Enhjorning, etc...

As I've heard, this Pixiv Purge strikes not only zako 3D/AI artists of erotic-violence-containing genres, but some vanilla adult artists as well.

It's unclear now what were the exact criterias for banning those artitst, and it's unclear how far this Pixiv Purge is going to advance... But I guess it's time to search for another savehaven.

So, the topic question is, do you know about any public picture or video hosting website, which could serve as a showcase for content creators, and which is tolerant to violent erotic content ?

I've heard iwara.tv is quite tolerant... Any more comments or suggestions

I can suggest only VK, also Telegram. These are Russian apps who are pretty tolerant to fetish and porn, but I recommend creating public or closed groups to not trigger someone to strike you with a ban. Telegram is messenger, however it can be used to publish art or archive it in here. Both apps are pretty easy to use, they have closed groups option. Personally, I use them to archive a lot of zako videos I buy/exchange.

 

[rutgerhauer]

Yes, I know about VK and TG... Though those are the platforms that were not supposed to serve as an art exhibition. Especially for explicit types of art. Only private group with R-18G content can survive there.
But I'd like to have a gallery placed in some place open for newcomers, while the most of those newcomers should be R-18G tolerant. Like it was at Pixiv - you set the "R-18G" tag for your post, so this post is simply invisible for those who didn't enable R-18G type of content in their profile settings...

Motherless and e-hentai are come to mind, but those are quite a shitholes (sorry)...

 

[rutgerhauer]

I also know that some artists have turned back to Deviantart. For example, Lessonone, after being banned at Pixiv several times in a row, has moved to DA. And DA didn't ban him yet (though, he keeps explicit images hidden under a paywall, so it's not the best type of showcase).
Not sure moving to DA is a good idea - the probability is too high that they'll start another purge as long as they find that violent erotics is back again amongst their rainbow ponies (or hoofses, ha-ha).

 

[rutgerhauer]

BTW, for those who wondered why Pixiv becomes so banhappy with 3D images - here are some explanations from Pixiv:

Reason for the revision of the pixiv Guidelines on real-life photographs or photo-realistic images

Greetings from pixiv. In response to the confusion surrounding the revision of the guidelines publi…

www.pixiv.net

Some highlights:

"...
to prohibit users from posting the following content:

1. Photo-realistic images that can be interpreted as sexual or cruel content based on context, even though at first they might not seem that way, regardless of how they are created.
...
2. Photo-realistic depictions intended to violate human rights, manipulate information, or cause chaos in society.
・E.g.: ... scenes of non-existent battlefields and disasters ...
...

In order to prevent malicious acts testing the boundaries of the guidelines, we can’t disclose the specific criteria for determining whether or not a post violates the guidelines."


Well... if they gonna strictly follow they new rules, it's the end of Pixiv days for 3D zako.



Upd: And about my previous post about DeviantArt: In fact, it's even worse there, because:
https://www.deviantartsupport.com/en/article/what-is-deviantarts-policy-around-sexual-and-erotic-themes
So it appears, zako can live at DA only behind a paywall.

 

[Weoooo]

"...
to prohibit users from posting the following content:

1. Photo-realistic images that can be interpreted as sexual or cruel content based on context, even though at first they might not seem that way, regardless of how they are created.
...
2. Photo-realistic depictions intended to violate human rights, manipulate information, or cause chaos in society.
・E.g.: ... scenes of non-existent battlefields and disasters ...
...

In order to prevent malicious acts testing the boundaries of the guidelines, we can’t disclose the specific criteria for determining whether or not a post violates the guidelines."

I see this entirely as aimed at AI. Photo-realistic means things specifically created to look real, rather than 3D stuff. 3D stuff, while realistic, doesn't attempt to look like reality. It's the difference between a photograph and a render; one is totally different than the other. 2 is very specifically a ban on making images that depict fake events to rile people up, like a massacre in France by some migrants or something.

I'm not sure what's going on with pixiv, although I will say that most people I've noticed who got banned posted some of the more realistic looking AI stuff with violence in it. But not all of them, thus its all very confusing. But I think there's some common thread, and I see those rules as specifically targeting AI. It's a thing every site and legal system and government is trying to get a handle on as it crashes into IP law and things like "if you make something that looks like a photograph for revenge porn purposes is it revenge porn"

 

[joanndz]

Content creators are free to post on my discord for villainess/zakos (Join the Female Villains Discord Server!). I can even create channels for each content creator specifically

 

[rutgerhauer]

I see this entirely as aimed at AI. Photo-realistic means things specifically created to look real, rather than 3D stuff. 3D stuff, while realistic, doesn't attempt to look like reality. ...

It's quite possible that "AI" overflow was the final trigger for Pixiv to implement those changes, but it doesn't look like the only single reason. Most of the banned artists had never published any "AI" works. Photorealism by itself is not a problem (e.g., hyperrealism genre is allowed, as Pixiv said), it becomes a problem only when it is coupled with sexuality and/or cruelty. They don't want to see too graphic violence or too natural-looking porn. As they've said, they always were against such a content, and now just have tuned guidelines to justify upcoming repressions. If it was about AI only, they would state it specifically as about AI only. But as we see, they've said it's "regardless of how an image was created".
I'd be happy if you were right about "AI-only". They've stopped this purge for about a month already - maybe it's just a pause to tune their ban-bot-hound... Well, I guess we'll see soon whom they're really targeted on, when they'll let their hound to ban again.

 

[nagato]

As you may have already heard, Pixiv, which was the safe haven for zako-genre 3D artists since "The Great DeviantArt Purge 2020", now becomes unfriendly as well.
Many of that kind of artists were kicked out recently with quite a strange ban reason - "photorealistic pictures". Yes, Pixiv forbids to post photos, but who would say that, for example, HoneySelect renders, could ever be called "photorealistic" ?

Who was banned recently:
lessonone, MadCoby, 375ms, CloudDistrict, Epitaph, OhMeGusta, panini, Sugezu, Zeya (returned after a successful appeal), Kracle, iedaepha, uuupuuu, alpinek, Ash (ArtDude), cool beauty, SpearSwordRifle, TommyTomahawk, Enhjorning, etc...

As I've heard, this Pixiv Purge strikes not only zako 3D/AI artists of erotic-violence-containing genres, but some vanilla adult artists as well.

It's unclear now what were the exact criterias for banning those artists, and it's unclear how far this Pixiv Purge is going to advance... But I guess it's time to search for another safehaven.

So, the topic question is, do you know about any public picture or video hosting website, which could serve as a showcase for content creators, and which is tolerant to violent erotic content ?

I've heard iwara.tv is quite tolerant... Any more comments or suggestions ?

ESG is hell of a drug.

 

[Weoooo]

ESG is hell of a drug.

It has nothing to do with this. The other stuff has nothing to do with this either, it's payment processer pressure. Specifically, Paypal/Visa/Mastercard, pulling power moves over their ability to control rates for porn-related sites. Investment advice based on the environmental and social impact of companies is not the reason people are getting banned on a private company's website.

 

[Drizzt78]

Deadly desires, maybe? They have a gallery feature, at least.

 

[rutgerhauer]

Deadly desires, maybe? They have a gallery feature, at least.

I thought about DD, but... Once it was Fetnoir, I had tired to publish some of my works there, and tthe reaction was somewhere near zero (only Jimbo was excited to see his favorite theme, ha-ha). So it doesn't look a welcome place for my production.

Moreover, since it's a kind of semi-hidden private club now (invites based), I have a doubt they have enough of fresh users blood... Such places usually look more like a bog with teh same old toads. Maybe I'm wrong ?

 

[Zufallx]

It has nothing to do with this. The other stuff has nothing to do with this either, it's payment processer pressure. Specifically, Paypal/Visa/Mastercard, pulling power moves over their ability to control rates for porn-related sites. Investment advice based on the environmental and social impact of companies is not the reason people are getting banned on a private company's website.

Sounds like the 'Social' of ESG to me. What other reason could they have?

 

[Weoooo]

Sounds like the 'Social' of ESG to me. What other reason could they have?

1: ESG is for investors. Pixiv isn't a publicly traded company. It literally cannot apply.
2: Visa/Mastercard/Paypal have been putting squeezes on sites for years now. While I initially believed this was church group pressure like it was in the past, it's also become clear that they're using their power as more or less the entirety of the industry to control their rates for porn related things.

 

[Gassedmaiden]

Content creators are free to post on my discord for villainess/zakos (Join the Female Villains Discord Server!). I can even create channels for each content creator specifically

Hey! I’m trying use the link to join the Discord, but it doesn’t seem to work. Can you help?

 

[Drizzt78]

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Fuck's this? Giving me "deceptive site" warnings.

 

[Samoth]

Fuck's this? Giving me "deceptive site" warnings.

Presumably phishing of some sort. I've banned the poster and am scrubbing the links from quoted posts.

 

[horatiojones80]

Presumably phishing of some sort. I've banned the poster and am scrubbing the links from quoted posts.

was it phishing? I clicked on the link and my browser said something like "unsafe site" and I closed it but I'm kind of freaking out now. The actual link was a PHP script. I'm not worried about my browser info. I don't store any passwords, credit card numbers or logins here and it's a different browser than I use for everything else, but could it be something that infected my computer? My antivirus isn't detecting anything, but idk. I'm pretty nervous

 

[Samoth]

was it phishing? I clicked on the link and my browser said something like "unsafe site" and I closed it but I'm kind of freaking out now. The actual link was a PHP script. I'm not worried about my browser info. I don't store any passwords, credit card numbers or logins here and it's a different browser than I use for everything else, but could it be something that infected my computer? My antivirus isn't detecting anything, but idk. I'm pretty nervous

Most likely, yes. The links outwardly display sites like mega.nz or gofile.io, but if you hovered over them they show a different site entirely. That feels more or less directly like a phishing thing.

 

[fleet]

was it phishing? I clicked on the link and my browser said something like "unsafe site" and I closed it but I'm kind of freaking out now. The actual link was a PHP script. I'm not worried about my browser info. I don't store any passwords, credit card numbers or logins here and it's a different browser than I use for everything else, but could it be something that infected my computer? My antivirus isn't detecting anything, but idk. I'm pretty nervous

Don't freak out, sounds like your browser caught the problem. If you are worried, run a full antivirus scan on your computer. I suggest doing it overnight, as it will probably take an extended period of time to run the scan.

Very respectfully,
fleet (global moderator)