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Have her start off standing

Discussion in 'Loader Requests' started by pornmix, Jul 2, 2016.

  1. pornmix

    pornmix Vivacious Visitor

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    Any way to have her start off in a standing position, then kneel down (slowly) in front of his cock?
     
  2. bigjerry

    bigjerry Potential Patron

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    I think it's very easy, thru dialogue. Set diffrent positions, from standing to kneeling. Other issue is that She doesnt look good when standing
     
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    That response is no help at all.
     
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    stuntcock Club Regular Staff Member Moderator

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    That's untrue. The response was helpful, in that it identified an important obstacle ("the girl will look odd when standing upright") and presented a potential solution ("setup several animtools positions with the girl in partially-kneeling poses, and then cycle through them in order").

    What the response didn't do is "give you a single file to download which would instantly solve your problem."

    It's valid for someone to reply by pointing out technical limitations, or by proposing an alternative approach, or by suggesting that you put in some effort on behalf of your idea (i.e. draw a storyboard, or setup some of the intermediate positions in animtools.swf).

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    It would be silly for someone to just jump ahead and create a SWF file. It's possible to do so, but it would probably be a waste of effort - because the request is still very vague:
    • if the SDT girl is fully upright when the scene begins, then her head will probably be cropped off by the top edge of the game window. Is that what you want?
    • does the initial "kneel down" phase occur as a cutscene, or is the player in control of the action?
    • define "slow". How many frames (or seconds) would be required for completion of the "kneel down" action?
    • is the girl expected to speak her INTRO line(s) before kneeling down? Is she expected to speak during the kneel-down animation?
    • how is the scene animated? Does she drop to one knee first, or do both legs bend simultaneously?
    • where are her hands during this animation?
    • where are his hands during this animation?
    • are we supposed to use camera tricks in order to hide her weird unbending ankles, or do we just show everything as-is?
     
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    aztlan Swell Supporter

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    You can also have hear leaning back against a wall of the like - you can make a pretty natural looking animators position to do this.
     
  6. pornmix

    pornmix Vivacious Visitor

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    Agreed. I guess it's frustrating for developers when noobs (like me) come in here requesting this and that without fully understanding what is necessary for their request to be fulfilled. We think that if he can be standing, why can't she be standing? Anyway, I do apologize. I need to learn more about the animtools and how to implement them. In answer to your questions:

    if the SDT girl is fully upright when the scene begins, then her head will probably be cropped off by the top edge of the game window. Is that what you want?

    you said "probably" so I would prefer her head be visible if possible


    does the initial "kneel down" phase occur as a cutscene, or is the player in control of the action?

    would prefer the player in control if possible


    define "slow". How many frames (or seconds) would be required for completion of the "kneel down" action?

    I have a video I slowed down (will attach) which is (if I remember correctly) is either 35 or 40 frames per second


    is the girl expected to speak her INTRO line(s) before kneeling down? Is she expected to speak during the kneel-down animation?

    not necessary


    how is the scene animated? Does she drop to one knee first, or do both legs bend simultaneously?

    both legs simultaneously


    where are her hands during this animation?

    on her front thighs or at her side


    where are his hands during this animation?

    at his side


    are we supposed to use camera tricks in order to hide her weird unbending ankles, or do we just show everything as-is?

    camera tricks would be nice to make it look natural

     
  7. stuntcock

    stuntcock Club Regular Staff Member Moderator

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    We don't expect you to understand everything that's necessary. We do expect you to follow the rules. One of the stipulations therein is that the first post of your Request thread is supposed to include a reference image.

    Why is that important? Because:
    • the most straightforward way to provide a suitable reference image is by taking a screenshot of SDT gameplay
      • or perhaps several screenshots, showing before..middle..after. The point is that you're defining the keyframes; an animator can fill in the remaining details
    • even a single "before" image would have answered half of my initial questions ("how is the scene framed", "where are her hands", "are her feet visible", etc) instead of wasting time on Q&A
    • in order to create that image, you would have needed to install the animtools mod and learn how to use it
      • in doing so, you might have found a way to fulfill the idea on your own
      • in doing so, you might have encountered a fatal obstacle (e.g. "her feet will never look convincing" or "the camera doesn't respond properly") and abandoned the whole idea
    • by posting the initial reference image, you would demonstrate that you've put some effort into the Request
      • modders are more likely to get involved if they believe that the initiator is likely to follow through (providing feedback, testing, etc). Nobody wants to spend time on an orphan project
    • even if this project is never completed, your initial results (i.e. a "both characters standing" animtools position file) might be used by others for their own gameplay, or for future modding projects

    The two characters are equally tall. If they're both standing upright with their feet at the same elevation, then either both of their heads will be cropped out of the frame or his creepy headless shoulders will be visible.

    You can try to play camera tricks or fudge the foot positions to make the flaws less noticeable. Feel free to upload an animtools file once you've found something that you're happy with.

    The point of these questions is to force you to think about how your scenario might play out (or why a modder might be asking the question, given that the answer seems so obvious).

    Okay, so you want the player to be in control. Great. What does that mean?

    Are they using left-right mouse motions to raise and lower the girl? Is the player's mouse movement superimposed on top of the "kneeling" motion (causing her to lean left or right)? Does the player need to perform some specific set of input motions before the girl will fully kneel down and the normal SDT gameplay begins?

    I asked you how many animation frames would be included in the kneel-down animation. If you'd prefer to answer in seconds (or milliseconds) then that's fine. Answering in FPS is meaningless.

    Your video is unavailable (removed due to Terms of Use violation). DailyMotion doesn't allow porn.

    If both legs move simultaneously, then she can't change the position of her feet. The initial foot position must match the final foot position (in the kneeling-fellatio pose which will be used for the subsequent gameplay). Which means that she'll need to stand somewhat far away from the male character -- very near to the left edge of the game window -- when she's shown in her initial standing pose.

    Or the girl begins by standing very close to the guy ... and then the animator is forced to just inexplicably slide her entire body backwards as she kneels down.
     
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    Thanks for all the info. I'll do some more fiddling around with animtools, and see what I can come up with.
    Here's a url to the video. Not sure if it will be helpful, but just to show an idea of what I'm trying to achieve...

    http://upornmix.com/video/No Ordinary Housewife.mp4
     
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    I've been trying (on and off) for the past few days, but can't get her in a standing position. I've tried adjusting knee positions, calf positions, camera angles, etc. I've gone through the animtools guide and tried to find a more in depth guide. I appreciate all the help, but I'm not a modder. Maybe I should focus on how to mod? Probably getting in over my head :eek:
     
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    Any tips on how to achieve this?
     
  11. aztlan

    aztlan Swell Supporter

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    Here's one I use plus a background for it.
    It's easy to move them around in the animtools editor. All you need is a background with a flat wall to the left or right.

    Standing in Bedroom.png
     

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    Thank you. I have the animtools editor, but I don't see those options (Compliment, Insult, etc.) ?
     
  13. bigjerry

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    These are dialouge buttons
     
  14. aztlan

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    Those are buttons I created in the Dailogue Actions loader mod.