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Favorite Post-Defeat Fate?

Discussion in 'Ryona' started by catfightforums, Apr 27, 2014.

  1. catfightforums

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    Male vs. Female post-victory humiliation?

    Something I really enjoy is the idea of a match between a quietly-confident alpha male and a cocky, arrogant female that transpires in a completely one-sided manner (the man demolishing the woman). I'm sure most of you prefer this style of ryona as well, but what about a finisher that doubles as sexual humiliation of the loser?
    For example, a strong, ripped boxer hammers his big-breasted blonde opponent, then instead of knocking her out to end her, disrobes her and puts her in a compromising position and fucks the hell out of her. Or maybe a face-fucking instead
     
  2. Snowballs

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    Yeah dude. I think there's a very close relationship between Ryona-Humiliation and Fantasy-Rape Fetish. I am definitely in the category they enjoys the fantasy elements of allowing another person to take advantage of you; it's already how "selling" moves in wrestling or videos are. I DETEST the idea of real rape but the role-playing is definitely kinky.

    I think you'd enjoy Cpunch's deviantart channel. Its more boxing oriented but they definitely have the "insult to injury" them by exposing their opponents after beating them. cpunch (C Punch) on deviantART. I'm definitely not into Ultimate Surrender like a lot of other wrestling fetish fans.
     
  3. Psythe

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    Hey everybody,

    I've seen a lot of different perspectives/preferences about how a ryona battle should end for the one that loses, from a simple KO, to guro, to the loser being enslaved or otherwise humiliated, to just a simple setback that the loser rebounds from in a rematch.

    My question to you is, what sort of outcome do you prefer for the loser(s) in a battle, whether it be one of the above listed or something new? I'd love to hear what you guys think. Be as detailed or as general as you like.

    I'll not post my preferences until a bit later(don't want to bias anyone). Though if you see some of my other posts, you could probably piece them together :P
     
  4. Selene

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    Well, generally speaking I prefer sexual stories that end in slavery. On occasion, though, I've begun experimenting with death.
     
  5. glutton

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    Girl isn't actually defeated, gets back up and kicks her opponent's butt.
     
  6. Snowballs

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    Rag-doll them then add insult to injury by finishing them with another move while they are unconscious.
     
  7. randomguy

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    For bad things I like humiliation sitting on, kissing fondling and carrying and assorted knock outs also kidnapping. I do also like the girl being saved by someone or getting herself out of the trouble herself using her guts or wits.
     
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    Walked like a dog on the street at night naked. And let anyone who gets horny rape the hell out of her, even the children and the elderly. Free or costly, depending on my current monetary conditions.
     
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    Surrender. Helplessness is what I look for.
     
  10. Mystral Kiss

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    I like all of these too. It's all about the humiliation factor. One of my favorites involves the girl getting KO'd by one of her own powerful moves (or a move of equal caliber) or getting defeated by a totally unexpected attack that specifically counters her own signature move.

    I am pretty open-ended though . . . on the other hand, I also like when the girl is taken out in an embarrassing way, perhaps by a weak move that they should have easily defended, followed by copious teasing and taunting :)

    In terms of post-battle, I don't like gruesome defeats involving permanent injuries, but I do like shameful losses that have long-term social or emotional consequences (ranging from something as light as loss of reputation to something heavier like blackmail/slavery).
     
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    We already have a thread about how much damage they suffer in the fight, so this is about what happens after the fight, when the loser is knocked out or has surrendered and is now at the mercy of the winner.

    My favorite losing characters play a relatively small role in the story or movie. By what they do or say, with whom they are associated or simply how they look, they trigger Schadenfreude rather than compassion. Unexpected FATALITIES won't ruin the winner's cheerfulness and no matter how harsh the loser's fate is, the casual viewer is supposed to react like "Oops!", "Serves you right!" or "No big loss!"

    In contrast, I love to envision their individual lives and often I see them as rather nice and likeable persons, with friends, families and all that jazz. So my reaction may be like "I hope it's not as bad as it looks." (But sometimes it is, making the story more tragic, but also more thrilling.)


    For starters, it's important that the defeated are not forgotten, even if they are completely unimportant for the story. Those who are knocked out or dead are lying around decoratively, in embarrassing or cartoonish fashion. Those who have given up are showing shock, fear and anger. And the camera (or the skill of the artist) allows an extensive look at this scenery.

    What follows depends on my mood. It ranges from quite optimistic to extremely cruel and may actually contradict popular movie tropes.

    I love big shoot outs, where the protagonists take down those who hunt them by the dozen. Their post-defeat fate may be relieving when it turns out that they have been shot down, but not shot dead and will eventually recover.

    A good fighter may suffer a painful, humiliating beating. Comical stuff like huge lumps, crossed eyes, tongue hanging out or missing teeth are fine, and I love the idea of the hair-vs-hair match. The winner will celebrate, and taunt the loser, but usually they won't do any more serious damage. So the loser may come back to fight another day.


    However, the question "What shall we do with them, now that they are knocked out or captured?" is more urging when they are a large group of inept baddies and the heroes have more important things to worry about, like how to defeat a major villain.

    I love to see henchies rounded up and delivered to the people who have been tormented and exploited by them before. Then the good guys move on and don't give a damn about how far the people will go in roughing up the ruffians.

    How far should they go?
    Losing their clothes, their hair and maybe a couple of teeth works fine in most scenarios - just as in the single fights. The chance of losing much more is significant higher though. (And male thugs have something special to worry about.)

    What's at the end of the road?
    Sold to slavery or sent to prison for a very long time?
    Or straight to the netherworld?

    Usually I want to see those specimen who are, for one reason or another, "my type", avoid that nasty fate at the very last second. But you can't always get what you want and it adds suspense when nobody is absolutely safe.

    And I have to admit that concluding the story with this image always had a certain fascination for me.
    (The evil ruler is dead, the heroes ride into the sunset, the oppressed take over the palace, the good couple enjoys the happy end... and the whole scene is decorated with dangling henchfolk.)
     
  13. NNin

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    Same as Mystral's here, especially if a zako is the one who did that.

    For post defeat, I'm not a fan of gruesome death of permanent damage. Captive, lost confident/reputation and torture are my likes.
    Rape is so-so.
     
  14. HoLeeSmokes

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    For Post-Defeat Fate, I always like more of sexual humiliation related stuff. But I'm not a fan of rape (penetrative rape) or super hardcore too much. I feel it gets too much to the straight up rape fantasy/porn personally. So I have to put a bit of a spin on it, either like "innocent"/shota or some other way to show the attacker is aroused and taking advantage of it. Here's a bunch of my favorites...pictures says 1000 words. Hopefully some one find these enjoyable too!

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    Like this shy young male beat down a hot dark elf to a point she is unconscious and urinating herself. Instead of straight of raping her, he grabs her hand to give himself a handjob.

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    This one is exact same idea as above, but a more "aggressive" male ejaculating on a fellow defeated classmate after a battle.

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    This young boy just beat down a hot elf. He innocently positions her head to be kissing his erection, while he playing with her panties.

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    Young boy manages to pick up this unconscious dark elf to mount on himself, so he can grope and squeeze her breasts.

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    This Gyaku-ryona... the female takes advantage of his defeated male by giving him a footjob. Giving him a humiliating, unwanted erection against his own will.

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    This boy has the power to drain a girl by sucking on her nipples. And relieves his sexual arousal by masturbating and ejaculating on her, then follow with a stomp to force her to cough.

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    One of the girl defeats another girl. Plays with her bra against her own will.

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    Later, she lifts her up with a chokehold. Being sexual aroused by this situation, she jerks off (she's a futa) while watching her struggle.

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    Tied the defeated enemy up, and torture her by scratching her belly button.

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    Smothering a defeated opponent on the ground until she urinates.

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    Unbuckling a defeated opponent's strapless bra, and leaving her top still on, and licking it.

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    Dragging the hopeless opponent to a certain fate.
     
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  15. Psythe

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    Lots of really interesting thoughts and cool photos here!

    I think I share the most in common with Mystral Kiss and Nnin. I'm really a fan of a humiliating defeat that preferably ends in slavery(though there can be variations, such as being tied up and left, or being sent away after her defeat, her mission/goal a failure etc) and as others have mentioned, I really like the idea of long term consequences that last far beyond the current battle, my favorite being permanently.

    As for the physical things done to the defeated after the battle I like a lot of different stuff, and it really depends of the personality of the victor(I usually go for female victors, since then I feel like I can really enjoy the intense stuff for the loser) and how she might like to tease/play with her opponent. Everything from stripping, spanking, forced kissing, being knocked around further after the fight while being verbally taunted/teased, to maybe a simple knock out, though it's more fun when she's conscious, for me personally.

    On the other hand I can envision a sort of 'lite' version of a grim fate for the loser that could have appeal if you're looking for something less dark: the idea that the loser gets defeated and becomes helpless, and just as she's about to face a fate like is described above, she's saved by someone, a friend/ally, or even another enemy who feels sorry for her enough to intervene at the last second. This way she's a damsel in distress and it falls more on the 'loss of reputation' end of Mystral Kiss' spectrum.

    In any case the whole thing is brilliantly fun, I think.
     
  16. Stuelpner_Karl

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    A 'lite' version of a grim fate for the loser is often the perfect solution when a gruesome death may fit the loser's, but not the victor's personality. For example, it would have ruined the fun of Home alone 3 if the little boy had to live with regrets afterwards.

    (Nonetheless, the fact that the baddies not only where really evil, trying to freeze an old lady at some point, but also really funny and - in a strange way - sympathic, actually added suspense to the question "What harsh punishment comes next?")


    A "post-Post-Defeat Fate", totally unexpected by both the winner and the loser, can also add something to the story.

    When the Supermen rode into the sunset, they left pile of Amazons at the mercy of the villagers.
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    My imagination of the aftermath is that the men of the village give them an additional beating, but the women prevent rape. (I really don't like rape scenarios.)
    But of course they don't have compassion, they just don't want their husbands having fun. So the amazons are in for an even worse beating, this time with rolling pins and frying pans.
    Finally they end up sold into slavery, to the benefit of the villagers' married lives and the local finances.

    But now, as an additional twist, their new owners will soon regret enslaving those female fighters. So at the end, the amazons may free themselves and others from slavery...


    (...and come back to the village for the big showdown with the wives. But that would be the post-post-post-defeat scenario.)
     
  17. Mardion

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    Given that my main source of ryona entertainment comes from fighting videogames, where after you lose a match you can always restart it, my favourite post-defeat scenario is that the loser, despite all the pain, bruises, lost blood and occasionally broken bones, recuperates and challenges the one who defeated her to a new battle... and gets defeated again, and recuperates, and gets beaten again and again and again... pretty much forever. She has metaphorically tied her fate into being defeated by the same enemy for all eternity :-)

    If (and only if) that is not a valid answer and I need to end it at some point, then the defeated heroine at some point becomes unable to resume fighting after all the thrashing she has received, either because she is KO'ed too badly, or because she accepts that she will never be able to defeat her opponent, or because her opponent scorns her after being bored by beating her over and over and refuses to fight her again and leaves her there lying, or perhaps because the original reason she was fighting for doesn't exist anymore - which depends on the storyline of the game and/or my own headcannon on why the two were fighting in the first place.
     
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  18. Psythe

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    @Mardion While as I've stated I tend to like permanent, or at least devastating losses, your angle is quite interesting, and I'd at least like to see it in the occasional story. Reminds me of the boxing scene in Cool Hand Luke.
     
  19. morosenoodle

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    It depends on the character, but usually I prefer some form of death. Hard guro is fine, but it doesn't have to be too gruesome - in fact, if it gets too guroy, with scat and the like, that's a turnoff for me - and I can even enjoy it if the victim's final fate is left unseen... just so long as it's clear that her situation is hopeless. Like Mardion, games got me into ryona; fatalities are my favorite, starting with the dizziness and maybe with a sad epilogue at the end. I'm also very partial to Game Over sequences, particularly when they involve some sort of peril. Think Final Fight: the loser is knocked unconscious, placed in a death trap, and then left to her fate. I love the countdown motif, and the sense of finality that Game Over/ Bad End sequences bring; game girls usually don't go down with one defeat, they've usually got a second chance... unless there are no continues.

    Sexual humiliation is fun, too, at any point before, during, or after her demise. Rape is fine (it's all makebelieve, after all), but I'm not so keen on slavery, unless there's some really whacked out circumstances ("Shang Tsung steals Kira's soul, and it keeps it for his own eternal pleasure!"). Generally speaking, I'd rather the girl just get knocked out and left alone, then be enslaved for an indefinite amount of time (although brief periods of slavery can be fun, just so long as it's a prelude to something more perilous e.g. Kitana's imprisonment and eventual execution by Goro, as seen in his MK:DA ending.)

    There's a bunch of little things, like villain gloating, particularly if the winner had some kind of fierce rivalry or connection with the loser ("as the chamber fills with water, Robbie chides Stephanie for being a little snoop, and gleefully describes what he will do to her town once she's out of the way"), or a tragic epilogue that places the loser's defeat in a broader context ("Sailor Moon's body has been stuffed and mounted, an exquisite trophy of war that now decorates the demon-lord's throne room") Really, there's a lot that can please me, and I'm willing to try anything once or thrice.
     
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